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PostSubject: Shine's First STANDARD OU RMT   Tue 09 Jun 2009, 1:46 pm

So, in a fit of boredom, I broke down and made a standard OU team. I didn't bother looking up Smogon EV spreads- just made my own. I even used some of the Pokemon I hate most, just cause they filled the slot right. Anyway, here you go- Shine's first ever STANDARD OU team.


At a Glance
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Scizor @Lum Berry
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-U-Turn
Technician, Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP

No particular purpose besides to kill things- I just picked a Pokemon and stuck it in my lead slot. Lum Berry's there for Sleep Powder/Hypnosis leads, as well as things like WilloWisp, which Scizor's a pretty big target of. Scizor without Superpower is a sad panda indeed. U-Turn's there cause, well... It's U-Turn.


Swampert @Leftovers
-Stealth Rock
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Earth Power
Torrent, Modest
172 HP, 200 Def, 136 Sp.Atk

This just gives me a Fire resistance to protect Scizor, with minimal weaknesses. Grass is pretty easy to cover... Stealth Rock support is always nice, and I figured this thing wouldn't mind sucking up WilloWisps, either, since it's entirely special based. Leftovers for recovery... The spread's kinda weak, and I think I might wanna make it Bold.


Celebi @Leftovers
-Leech Seed
-Heal Bell
-Recover
-Seed Bomb
Natural Cure, Impish
236 HP, 112 Def, 160 Sp.Def

Celebi covers that Grass weakness on Swampert, and its big Bug weakness is already covered by Scizor, as well as Dark, Ghost, and Ice- Swampert can also comfortably switch into most of those... Heal Bell support's good, as well as Leech Seed to *BLEEP* people up and Seed Bomb just to not be entirely walled by Taunt.


Heatran @Choice Scarf
-Overheat
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Explosion
Flash Fire, Mild
48 Atk, 252 Sp.Atk, 208 Spd

Heatran is another option for Celebi- switches happily into Bug, Ice, Dark, Ghost, etc... And a Scarfer's almost a must on any team. I figured Heatran must've been popular as one for a reason, soooo... I made one. Overheat's for single shots, since it pairs so well with Scarf (gonna have to switch eventually, anyway), and Flamethrower's for late-game sweeping. Earth Power's for coverage, and Explosion's just there for when Heatran's outlived its use.


Gengar @Black Sludge
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Punch
Levitate, Hasty
48 Atk, 216 Sp.Atk, 244 Spd

Gengar protects Heatran against Ground and Fighting attacks, and it can counter Blissey with Focus Punch, since they've got a high tendency to switch into this thing, expecting a pure Sp.Sweeper- it works especially well when the enemy has some Paralyzed Pokemon or something, and use a turn to Aromatherapy, losing more than half their health in the process. Sub pairs up well with Gengar's fragile nature, anyway. I figure this also oughta OHKO T-Tar, but I don't have any calcs to prove it.


Blissey @Leftovers
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Thunderwave
-Ice Beam
Natural Cure, Bold
212 HP, 252 Def, 44 Sp.Def

Last one on the team... Honestly, more of a filler than anything. I decided I needed something with some sponginess, so Blissey showed up. Aromatherapy here might be excessive, since Celebi has Heal Bell, so one of the two will probably be replaced. T-Wave's good on Blissey, and Ice Beam's there to handle Ground types switching in.
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PostSubject: Re: Shine's First STANDARD OU RMT   Tue 09 Jun 2009, 2:43 pm

I used to spend a lot of time in OU, so i guess I could give it a try

Scizor- Honestly, I wouldn't use this as a lead, as some of the most common leads are : Azelf, Metagross, and hippowdon.

Scizor can't really touch Metagross or hippowdon, and azelf with fire blast/flamethrower you into oblivion whilst you SD, and even if you attack, they 99.9% of the time carry focus sash, and will proceed to kill you. Yes, you could argue that you can revenge kill with heatran, but they could switch, say, to a heatran of their own, and eat the fire move. If you don't get SR up, then it can come back in later and explode, and if you do get rocks up, they have death fodder.

I replacemant I would suggest is a set I made up myself.

Jirachi@ Choice scarf
Jolly
252 hp 120 defense 120 Special defense 16 speed
Iron Head
Body Slam/thunderwave
SR
Trick

*sigh* Damn you smogon. After I used this for a while on shoddy, they stole my idea, and then effed up the EVs. Whatever, this one works better, and I had it before them, so don't chastize me for using a Smogon set, since it wasn't when I devolped it.

Jolly with 16 speed EVs give you, if I remember correctly, roughly 397 speed after the choice scarf, allowing you to outspeed base 130s, so you can still Trick the choice scarf onto Aerodactyl while it tries to taunt you.

Also, yes, this may be extremly gay, but you already have Blissey, and it doesn't get muich gayer that that.

Swampert-While I'm sure this is the reason you made it a special attacker, Swampert has a significantly higher attack than special attack. Just putting that out there. Also, if you go with my Jirachi lead, replace Stealth rock with roar.

Celebi- Pretty straight forward. Not much to say there.

Heatran- 2 Fire attacks? I would merge them into Fire blast, and give it dragon pulse. Dragon is only resisted by one type, which is steel, and unless the incoming steel type is Heatran, they would be out of there mind to send a steel in. Hetran has a massive 130 special attack, so it can pull off an UnSTABd move while still doing some damage.

Gengar- I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Regardless of your poison typing, if you are not running item clause, you should run leftovers over black sludge. The only advantage black sludge would have it hurting a trick user, but that later gives them a nasty weapon against Celebi, Blissey, and swampet.

Blissey- You're right, Aromathereapy and heal bell are repetitive. I would instead give this

Seismic toss/ Fire Blast /Flamethrower
Wish
Protect
Toxic


Can cause a lot of damage to the other team, and offers the capability of wish passing, which is something swampert will greatly appreciate.





Anywho, that's my rate. I'm not to great at rating, but try out a few of my suggestions and see if you like them.
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PostSubject: Re: Shine's First STANDARD OU RMT   Tue 09 Jun 2009, 4:17 pm

Shine wrote:
So, in a fit of boredom, I broke down and made a standard OU team. I didn't bother looking up Smogon EV spreads- just made my own. I even used some of the Pokemon I hate most, just cause they filled the slot right. Anyway, here you go- Shine's first ever STANDARD OU team.


At a Glance
============================

============================



Scizor @Lum Berry
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-U-Turn
Technician, Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP

No particular purpose besides to kill things- I just picked a Pokemon and stuck it in my lead slot. Lum Berry's there for Sleep Powder/Hypnosis leads, as well as things like WilloWisp, which Scizor's a pretty big target of. Scizor without Superpower is a sad panda indeed. U-Turn's there cause, well... It's U-Turn.

The only thing that is going to WoW you as a lead is nothing. There are no leads used in OU that provide any status other than Bronzong which I'm assuming you are smart enough to switch in a different pokemon anyway. Even then, Hypnosis Bronzong are rarely seen, but Fire Blast Azelf are extremely abundant. I'd say this Scizor is out of place and will be quickly OHKOd by Flamethrower/Fire Blast since Bullet Punch isn't a OHKO. Rotom-H will be switching in to this as well as Gyarados, so watch out.


Swampert @Leftovers
-Stealth Rock
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Earth Power
Torrent, Modest
172 HP, 200 Def, 136 Sp.Atk

This just gives me a Fire resistance to protect Scizor, with minimal weaknesses. Grass is pretty easy to cover... Stealth Rock support is always nice, and I figured this thing wouldn't mind sucking up WilloWisps, either, since it's entirely special based. Leftovers for recovery... The spread's kinda weak, and I think I might wanna make it Bold.

This is a MUCH better replacement for Scizor, especially since Earth Power and Surf will be doing quite some damage to Metagross leads and Hippowdon leads. Also...I see you are really worried about WoW, but you have a pokemon that will gobble it up and gain a boost. Don't be afraid of WoW because the only pokemon that are going to be carrying it are the Rotom formes which Blissey can counter.


Celebi @Leftovers
-Leech Seed
-Heal Bell
-Recover
-Seed Bomb
Natural Cure, Impish
236 HP, 112 Def, 160 Sp.Def

Celebi covers that Grass weakness on Swampert, and its big Bug weakness is already covered by Scizor, as well as Dark, Ghost, and Ice- Swampert can also comfortably switch into most of those... Heal Bell support's good, as well as Leech Seed to *BLEEP* people up and Seed Bomb just to not be entirely walled by Taunt.

Seed Bomb is useless when Grass Knot will be doing much, MUCH more damage against Bulky Waters and Tyranitar (who will be switching in on this non-stop). Then, you might want to change this guy to Bold as well just as a reminder. I would say that Substitute is a better move over Recover since the pokemon you outspeed will be stalled until they switch. It's a better move if you are going to carry Toxic Spikes (which would REALLY do this team some good).


Heatran @Choice Scarf
-Overheat
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Explosion
Flash Fire, Mild
48 Atk, 252 Sp.Atk, 208 Spd

Heatran is another option for Celebi- switches happily into Bug, Ice, Dark, Ghost, etc... And a Scarfer's almost a must on any team. I figured Heatran must've been popular as one for a reason, soooo... I made one. Overheat's for single shots, since it pairs so well with Scarf (gonna have to switch eventually, anyway), and Flamethrower's for late-game sweeping. Earth Power's for coverage, and Explosion's just there for when Heatran's outlived its use.

Sounds good to me. Watch out for Gyarados as they will setup easily on this.


Gengar @Black Sludge
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Punch
Levitate, Hasty
48 Atk, 216 Sp.Atk, 244 Spd

Gengar protects Heatran against Ground and Fighting attacks, and it can counter Blissey with Focus Punch, since they've got a high tendency to switch into this thing, expecting a pure Sp.Sweeper- it works especially well when the enemy has some Paralyzed Pokemon or something, and use a turn to Aromatherapy, losing more than half their health in the process. Sub pairs up well with Gengar's fragile nature, anyway. I figure this also oughta OHKO T-Tar, but I don't have any calcs to prove it.

I wouldn't get too worked up over Focus Punch. It may do 4x damage to Tyranitar, but you would be lucky to score 30% on it. Also, Focus Punching a Blissey with a Gengar is about as useful as Focus Blasting a Blissey with a Gengar. This is a pretty weak pokemon that doesn't really gain you anything. Consider a Rotom forme as it pairs wonderfully with Heatran and Blissey. They are physically bulky and will take care of any Scizor problem you may have. Also, you seem to know how to use WoW and Rotom makes a great user of it.

Rotom-H
Bold @ Leftovers
252 HP/168 Def/88 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Shadowball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Thunder Wave

This is the set I use. This guy has just enough Speed to outspeed Adamant Scizor (which is all that are out there) and maximizes HP since it really doesn't have that much to begin with. The rest are put into Defense to make Rotom even more bulky. Rotom counters Gyarados, Scizor, Tyranitar (without Crunch and if you use WoW), Hippowdon, and all Physical variants of Kingdra, Salamence, and Dragonite.



Blissey @Leftovers
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Thunderwave
-Ice Beam
Natural Cure, Bold
212 HP, 252 Def, 44 Sp.Def

Last one on the team... Honestly, more of a filler than anything. I decided I needed something with some sponginess, so Blissey showed up. Aromatherapy here might be excessive, since Celebi has Heal Bell, so one of the two will probably be replaced. T-Wave's good on Blissey, and Ice Beam's there to handle Ground types switching in.

I don't understand why this is on your team to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I love Blissey. However, Blissey is more suited for Stall teams which this obviously is not.

This is kind of a rocky team that looks like a lot of pokemon were thrown together to look unique. Shine, you know how to build teams like a rock star. Remember that there should be a flow between your pokemon. This looks like a Bulky Offensive team so try to find a strong, decently bulky sweeper that 5 out of 6 of the above pokemon help to allow it to sweep. For example, I run Calm Mind Jirachi and use Snorlax, Tyranitar, Scizor, and Rotom-H to clear its counters allowing it to setup and sweep easier. I won't give any suggestions since this is your team after all. Just make sure you choose between Bulky Offensive and Stall because Celebi, Blissey, and Heatran are all found on Stall teams whereas Gengar, Scizor, and Swampert are found on the other. It looks good though, so if you don't feel like listening to my babble then I'm sure you will still do fine.

Good Luck =D
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